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Maximizing Your First Two Years of US Credit Cards Ricky February 4, 2020

Maximizing Your First Two Years of US Credit Cards

If I remember correctly, getting US credit cards only really started becoming a popular part of the Miles & Points strategy for Canadians about three or four years ago, when it became apparent that all the tools needed to establish US credit history – a US bank account, a US address, and an ITIN if you didn’t have an SSN – were all easily within reach north of the border.

In that time, I’ve witnessed countless individuals successfully embarking on the US credit card journey, so in this post I wanted to share a rough outline of the optimal US credit card strategy during your first two years, taking into account the many significant differences from the Canadian side and also the challenges associated with having a brand-new credit file.

I’ve written in detail in the past about how my own US credit card journey played out, so feel free to go back and read up on that as well. The strategies outlined here are in part informed by my own experiences, but also draw upon things that I wish I had done differently when I first started out.

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Months 0–6: Getting Started

Getting US credit cards for Canadians involves a fair bit of upfront cost in terms of the time and effort involved in getting everything set up. At the bare minimum, you’ll need a US address (either a family or friend’s place or a mail forwarding service), a US bank account (the cross-border banking arm of your favourite Big 5 bank should do), and a Canadian-issued Amex card that’s been open for at least three months and in good standing.

These key ingredients will allow you to initiate an Amex Global Transfer to your first Amex US credit card, which will allow you to begin building your US credit history. Even if you don’t have an SSN or ITIN at the moment, your credit file will simply include your name, date of birth, and address. 

Indeed, I know many individuals find the process of applying for an ITIN somewhat intimidating, so the Global Transfer route is a relatively easy way to get started with only a few steps involved.

You can complete the Global Transfer online by launching the Amex US credit card application and then selecting the “I’m a cardholder in a different country” option, which will allow the Nova Credit service to transmit your Canadian credit information to Amex US for assessment. Often, a quick follow-up phone call may be required to verify your identity before you get approved for the card.

Which Amex US credit card should you choose for your first one? I’ve addressed that question in this post, but long story short, you would ideally start with a credit card that has no annual fee, or at least a card that you’re almost certain you’ll want to keep around forever in the long run, because you don’t ever want to cancel your oldest credit card in order to maintain the longevity of your Average Age of Accounts (AAoA). 

The Amex US EveryDay Card is a solid no-fee choice for instantly getting into the US Membership Rewards game, which would allow you to start converting your MR points between the US and Canada and taking advantage of the much wider range of transfer partners south of the border. 

Meanwhile, the Amex US Hilton Honors Card, also with no annual fee, gives you an instant pathway into the Hilton Honors program and allows you to diversify your hotel rewards game beyond being limited to Marriott Bonvoy, as we are in Canada.

Both of the above options have their merits, so it’s up to you which one you prefer. While you could also theoretically go for a higher-value Amex US card as your first (like the Amex US Gold Card or the Amex US Hilton Aspire Card) I’d still generally recommend starting with a no-fee card, because you never know how much you’ll continue to find value out of a card with a higher annual fee many years down the road.

Month 6–12: Focusing on Amex US

There are mixed data points as to how long you should wait before applying for your second Amex US card. Note that an SSN/ITIN still isn’t technically required for this, since you can apply on the basis of your existing relationship with Amex US, but it may help to smoothen the process if you happen to have obtained one already. 

Some people report success applying for their second Amex US after three months, others after six. Some were able to repeat the same process of doing a Global Transfer from a Canadian card online using Nova Credit, while others (including myself, way back when) had to call in to submit the application in the absence of an SSN/ITIN for the online application.

Either way, there’s a little conundrum to think about when it comes time to obtain your second Amex US card. Specifically:

  • The first few years of US credit card history need to be planned out with Chase’s “5/24” rule in mind, in which Chase won’t approve you for any credit cards if you’ve opened more than five cards over the past 24 months

  • On the other hand, Chase also won’t approve applicants with too new of a credit history; they typically like to see at least one year’s worth of credit history with reliable payments over multiple tradelines 

There is a need to strike a balance here: you don’t want to load up on too many Amex US personal cards, because that’ll cut into your 5/24 allowance when you apply for Chase cards. On the other hand, if you keep a very light credit file with only a single Amex US card, then Chase may well reject your applications when the time comes. 

In my experience, getting two Amex US personal cards is a happy middle ground: you’ll be able to sign up for three of Chase’s premium products while remaining within 5/24, and also gives you a fair shot at being approved for your first Chase card too. 

Notice that I mentioned limiting yourself to two Amex US personal cards, and that’s because of the very convenient fact that Amex US business credit cards do not get reported to the credit bureaus, and therefore won’t count towards your 5/24 allowance! 

Therefore, in the first year of US credit history, you can load up on as many Amex US business cards as you get approved for (and they’re generally pretty lenient in granting these approvals) – the US Bonvoy Business, the US Hilton Business, and the US Business Platinum are all potentially worthy candidates.

Finally, remember that once you’ve gotten an Amex US card, you should be putting some spending on it on a regular basis, even if it’s only a hundred dollars per month. That’s because Amex US has systems in place to detect unprofitable behaviour (such as signing up for a card, getting the bonus, and then never using it again), and will hit you with the “dreaded pop-up” denying you the signup bonus on future applications if the system detects that you fall into this category. 

Months 12–18: Playing the Chase 5/24 Game

By the time you’ve established about one year’s worth of credit history, you should be eligible to be considered for Chase’s premium credit cards. That’s not to say that they’ll definitely approve you: they may still decline applications on the basis of too new a credit history, and you may have to ask for a reconsideration quite a few times (like I did back in the day) in order to push for an approval.

Opening a Chase bank account, which can be done on any visit to the United States with only a Canadian passport in hand, may help to build your relationship with the bank and fast-track your credit card approval by a few months. It also helps that Chase regularly offers bank account signup bonuses of several hundred US dollars, so a trip across the border to open a bank account could easily pay for itself.

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Before you apply for a Chase credit card, though, you’ll need to seek out the last piece of the puzzle – the SSN or ITIN – if you haven’t done so already. If you’re only obtaining an ITIN after you’ve already gotten started on the Amex US side, there’s no way to ask Amex to “attach” your ITIN to your credit file; instead, what you must do is simply include your ITIN on your next US credit card application, and it should automatically get attached by the credit bureaus.

If you’ve obtained two Amex US personal cards thus far, that leaves you with three open slots for Chase cards before you’re running up against 5/24. So, which three Chase products should you apply for?

My personal picks here would be the Chase Sapphire Preferred, the Chase Ink Preferred, and then one of the hotel cards – either the Chase Hyatt Visa or the Chase IHG MasterCard

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You’re only allowed one card within the Sapphire family, and with the Chase Sapphire Reserve increasing its annual fee to US$550 recently, I don’t see enough value in that card, especially for Canadians who might not be able to use up all the perks, to justify choosing the Reserve over the Preferred’s much more reasonable US$95 annual fee (not to mention a higher signup bonus of 60,000 Chase UR points vs. 50,000).

The Ink Preferred is mainly attractive for its outstanding signup bonus of 80,000 Chase UR points, although Chase is generally stricter on business card approvals than Amex US, so you may need to be prepared to jump through a few hoops for this one, especially if you’re applying as a sole proprietor. I personally had applied three separate times for the Ink, and eventually only got it approved upon visiting a branch and speaking with a business representative.

Choosing between the Hyatt and IHG hotel cards is a matter of personal preference. Hyatt hotels are generally of higher quality, and you’ll typically enjoy better treatment than an IHG hotel if you book via Hyatt Privé. Meanwhile, IHG has a much larger global footprint of hotels, and the current signup bonus of 140,000 IHG Rewards points is very impressive indeed. 

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I had personally chosen the Chase IHG MasterCard, although I do regret this decision somewhat, since I think I would find much greater enjoyment out of staying with Hyatt’s more luxurious portfolio of hotels compared to IHG. No matter which one you choose, though, both cards offer an annual free night certificate that makes it highly worthwhile to keep the card around for the long term. 

Beyond these products, the United MileagePlus and Southwest credit cards are also widely discussed in US credit card circles, but I’m not sure how valuable they are for Canadians. You can transfer your Chase UR points to United anyway, and as a Canadian traveller I’ve rarely had a need to fly Southwest, and I’m not sure how eager I’d be to do so if I had the choice.  

In addition to the 5/24 rule, keep in mind that Chase also has what’s known as the “2/30” rule, where you can only apply for two of their credit cards within a given 30-day period, so make sure to plan your applications out accordingly. 

Month 18 Onwards: Finishing Off Amex US + Other Issuers

If you’ve followed the optimal plan thus far, you should find yourself with two Amex US personal cards, three Chase cards, and a handful of Amex US business cards.

You’re now “over 5/24”, meaning that you can either wait patiently without applying for more cards to go back under 5/24 and become eligible for more Chase cards, or simply apply away for all the other strong credit card offers on the US market.

In my view, the latter option is definitely more favourable, since there are quite a number of cards still to be obtained, and you can always slow down and wait to dip back under 5/24 at some point in the future if you wish. 

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At this point, the door is wide open for the remaining Amex US personal cards – as long as you’ve been putting regular spending on your existing Amex US cards, you shouldn’t have any problems with the “dreaded pop-up” by the time you apply for more of the personal products.

One thing to note here is that if you don’t plan on keeping an Amex US product beyond the first year, you should never actually cancel within the first year, since that has gotten many individuals in trouble for “gaming” in the past.

Instead, wait until the second year’s annual fee has posted, and then either cancel during the 13th month and ask for a refund on the annual fee, or downgrade the card to a no-fee Amex product and keep it around forever for the positive credit history contribution. 

You’ll also be looking beyond Amex US and Chase at this point – for example, I was recently approved for the Citi Premier Card (which offers 60,000 ThankYou points after spending US$4,000 in the first three months, with a US$95 annual fee) after submitting an online application and then sending in a scanned copy of my ITIN. Other issuers, like Bank of America and its Alaska Airlines Visa Signature Card, are also fair game, but may require an in-branch visit to apply using an ITIN. 

Conclusion

Unlike in Canada, where you can basically apply for any of the cards in the marketplace in whatever order you wish, the US credit card game requires a little bit more thought and planning in terms of the newcomer’s strategy,  due in large part to the pesky Chase 5/24 rule.

During your first year, you’ll be working to build up your US credit history through Amex while also keeping an eye on your Chase 5/24 eligibility, and after you’ve knocked out a few of Chase’s cards in your second year, you’re free to go forth and conquer the remaining signup bonuses down in the land of opportunity. 

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26 Comments
  1. Avatar
    Farnorthtrader

    A couple of things to point out as someone who has an extensive US credit card portfolio:
    @John and others trying to find out if your ITIN has attached. You can go to creditkarma.com to see if you have a US file under your ITIN. Credit karma is now available in Canada as well now, so you can track your Canadian credit file too.
    @Ryan, you will be best off continuing to use your SIN for a SSN. My wife got a JCPenney card using her SIN and couldn’t get any credit using her ITIN because it always showed up as fraudulent. We switched to using her SIN and she has happily gotten dozens of US credit cards since.
    Finally, Probably most importantly, Ricky, when you say you are at 5/24 in your post, you are actually at 4/24. Bizarrely, for Chase, the Ink card that you just got from them does not count against 5/24. They only count a card against 5/24 if it appears on your credit bureau, and chase cards do not appear on your personal credit bureau, so at the point where you thought you were at 5/24, you could still have gotten several more chase business cards and then one more chase personal card.

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      Ricky

      Thanks for this, all the rules around which cards count towards 5/24 vs. are subject to 5/24 have been making my head hurt. Unfortunately, if this is the case, I messed up by going for the Citi Premier when I did, since I should’ve gotten the Hyatt card first. Oh well, it may be another 12 months of focusing on business cards for me before I dip back below.

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      Tony Sagar

      Are you saying I should forget about getting a ITIN and get you my SIN?

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        Farnorthtrader

        All I can tell you is our experience. Because we were living down there, she had gotten a SSN, but she couldn’t even get a Home Depot card with her SSN because the credit bureaus had her SIN on file and would not change it. So we started using her SIN and it worked fine.
        If the US credit bureaus do not already have a SIN on file for you, them definitely get the ITIN, but if you have gotten credit from a US issuer using your SIN, then trying to use an ITIN could be very difficult.

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    sasha

    Ricky, do you have to do a phone application to get a business card without an ITIN?

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      Ricky

      In theory it’s possible to Global Transfer to a business card online too. But with all Global Transfer applications, there’s always a good chance that you’ll need a phone call to verify some details too.

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    Steven

    Great article as always Ricky! Though I think you should mentioned the Capital One Venture given the flexible currency and ease of obtaining – depending if you want to prioritize airline points vs. hotel.

    I applied for the TD US Aeroplan Visa (now discontinued) when I got my US account about 14 months ago. 3 months later got the Amex Everyday Preferred (Global Transfer). 6 months later got the Amex Green. Got the Amex Bus Gold about 3 months ago and just received the Capital One Venture this week. So that’s 4/24. Will probably get another Amex bus card (Delta or Bonvoy) and then the CSP in a few months.

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      Ricky

      I’ll definitely need to look into that card further. Thanks for the heads up!

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    Alex

    Here is the scenario (and what I think I am planning on doing), dont have an ITIN. Use the AMEX Global Transfer to get a US Amex card. Use it for 1-6 months. While doing that apply for a ITIN which could take several weeks/months. When ITIN comes through, in months 7-9 apply for another US Amex card and use the new ITIN.

    When doing that will the ITIN also be attached to the 1st US Amex card that was acquired via Global Transfer and thereby create a longer credit history?

    Or will the ITIN only start when the 2nd US Amex credit card was acquired?

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      Ricky

      Yes – your credit history will start from your first US credit card, even if the ITIN only gets attached later.

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    John

    What was the process like applying for a chase business card in branch? Did they ask any awkward questions about your canadianness, or ask for any us proof of tax returns?

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      Ricky

      Nope, although I did have a friend hook me up with some especially chill bankers. If you go, I’d recommend the branch at 51 W 51st St in New York.

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    Ron Sigal

    Ricky, what are your thoughts on the Capital One Venture card? It seems to have more transfer partners that are good for Canadians (e.g. Aeroplan, Accor Hotels ALL), compared to Chase Ultimate Rewards which primarily has US-based transfer partners.

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      Steven

      I just applied for this card over the weekend – 50,000 points signup bonus. All spending is 2x points even though the transfer rates are less than 1:1 but lots of partners. Also they seem to have a more liberal approval policy on credit scores.

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    Alex

    Data Point: I have applied for the Hilton Surpass less then 2 months after applying for the HIlton Honors – no issues. But – they gave me a really low limit of 2k on the 2nd card.

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      Ron Sigal

      You can call AMEX and ask them to reallocate some of your credit from the first Hilton Honors card to the Hilton Surpass card.

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    Roland

    Is there any consensus on whether one can apply for Amex cards with a foreign IP address or if we should use a VPN ?

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      Ricky

      I’ve never had a problem applying from Canada.

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      Alex

      I have applied with my Canadian ip.
      Moreover, I’ve been asked to complete my application over the phone – and said I am a Canadian who oftens visits the US.
      But – you MUST know your US address and be comfortable telling the representative how long do you live there.
      Another must – have a US based bank account with pdf statement with your name and your address (this is your proof of residency in the US)

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    Ryan

    When I applied for a Macy’s store card, they told me to use my SIN in place of a SSN. I’ve had the card for years now. Would that have created some sort of credit history under my SIN, masquerading as a SSN? Would I be able to use my SIN to apply for credit cards in the US?

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      Ricky

      The case may well be that you currently have US credit history under your SIN. In theory you’d be able to continue using this as your unique identifier with the credit bureaus to apply for credit cards, but like Paul said, this could be a problem down the road if your SIN happens to overlap with legitimate SSN.

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      Paul

      Not an expert, but I think that pushy sales rep that told you to use your SIN was thinking of their commission over everything else. It’s possible you accidentally committed identity theft by using someone else’s SSN, which just so happened to be your SIN.

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    David

    Hey Ricky, I’ve had my ITIN for 4 months now and my US credit history is over a year old. However, when I tried to sign up for a Chase card, they said they couldn’t find my ITIN on any of the three credit bureaus. I applied for two personal Amex cards during that four-month window and applied my ITIN when getting those. How long is it supposed to take for the ITIN to ‘Attach’?

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      John

      Similar thing happened to me, though, I’ve had my ITIN for almost a year and used it on my second US amex application back in June 2019

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        David

        How long did it take before you saw that it attached or is it still unattached?

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          John

          At that point, I kind of put a hold on applying to chase cards because i couldn’t get a hold of an actual person at any of the credit bureaus – just automated phone lines. I have no idea how to find out if my ITIN is attached to my account, though I put it on my application for my 2nd, 3rd and 4th us amex cards which looking back, were all approved in 2018, not 2019. Is anyone aware of a way to check?

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